Trekkie pedophiles?! Message Thread

Click here to read an article on how the detective was misquoted.

Since yahoo deleted everything, I have cut and pasted from the emails I saved, what I think is the reason we were kicked off yahoogroups. The messages were posted between 11:19 pm, Wednesday, April 27 through 5:26 am Friday, April 29. I became aware of not being able to access my yahoo start page a few hours later.

The paragraph about 2/3 of the way down in the article says it all. Most of the sex offenders nabbed by Toronto's special unit have been hardcore Trekkies?? Whaaaaaaat??

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-photo27apr27,0,4897151.s
tory?coll=la-home-headlines

Nora

http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/glimpses/valley.html

George

http://gamefiles.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyondergames/trailers/ROFL.STARWAR
S.NERDS.wmv

Triumph does a good job pointing out the obvious..,

What it does say, however, is that the nerdly facility with pedophile enabling technology coincides very nicely with other reality avoiding proclivities..., dollars to donuts - just as it is the case that pornography is the economic engine driving the world-wide-web - both from a commercial and technological perspective, so also is obsessive
reality avoidance a good indicator of emotional retardation and increased likelihood of deviant behaviour.

On another board I posted an article about a girl who got six months
for molesting a child who was a self described vampire--

Look for undercover cops around comic shops, conventions, movies, the
sci fi sections of Blockbuster--

I wish I was kidding

Chris

of course you're right, which is precisely why I started here;

There is a darkside to atrophied emotional cognition among the
otaku/nerd collective..., furries and child-proportioned anime
avatars seem fairly obvious indicators.

http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/glimpses/valley.html

rather than with an exegesis of Trek.

Trek has little or nothing to do with it. The underlying condition
which is expressed as the cultural escapism of *Trekkiness*,
however, may be a whole other type'a'sort'a indicator, wouldn't you
say?

It's been decades since I was lonely teenage nerd escaping into
marathon sessions of dungeons and dragons and trek/comic themed
amusements. Of course, after I discovered the pleasure of the
company of women, all these emotionally repressed diversions went by
the wayside - pretty much for good.

> Also, in terms of pure escapism into fantasy worlds, Trek wouldn't
> be my first choice. Even at its worst it deals with issues of
> politics, religon, race, responsibility. It's not the best choice
> if you want to avoid anything approaching intelligent thought and
> examinations of certain aspects of the human condition.

On some counts, Roddenberryian escapism is far from the worse
escapism known to popular culture, though the playboy bunny fashion
favored for female crewmembers and the Kirk as 007 interstellar
playa life-support system for a penis with a battlecruiser starship
at his whim - strikes me a tad juvenile...,

> I'd think there are a lot more fantasy elements that tend to draw
> those wanting to leave reality behind, like some of those cliched
> barbarian/naked women worlds so often represented in artists'
> pictures,

Robert E. Howard had issues..., Frank Frazzeta OTOH

http://www.wadhome.org/frazetta/

"could make you a man...," as Dr. Frankenfurter was liable to
intone ...,

> or some of the Japanese anime which in my opinion is pretty much
> pedophilic from the get-go.

No. What I call Japanese *sunao* art and culture (going back to Noh
masks and Kabuki theatre) is not pedophilic, to the contrary, it
expresses a more deeply cultivated spectrum of emotional perception
and depiction. That these more subtle forms of expression have been
seized upon by emotional retardates consuming them in the popular
cultural millieu - is without question.

> I think these people are fantasy fans whose predilection for
> sexual deviancy can first, and *then* sought out the fantasy world
> as an escape/outlet for their troubled minds. And then a subset of
> that love for such fiction is those who love Trek.

There are numerous metacultures comprised of people who have a hard
time fitting into the dominant social millieu. Sexual *deviancy*
results from sexual abuse or inability to access and obtain *normal*
sexual outlets, correct? In either case, the developmental result
is likely to be a person with stunted emotional development. Say for
example the type of person described here; (fyi, many hardcore nerds
have taken to describing themselves as autistic spectrum)

"The idea is that the mirror neuron systems of autistic individuals
are somehow impaired or deficient, and that the resulting "mind-
blindness" prevents them from simulating the experiences of others.
For autistic individuals, experience is more observed than lived,
and the emotional undercurrents that govern so much of our human
behavior are inaccessible. They guess the mental states of others
through explicit theorizing, but the end result is a list --
mechanical and impersonal -- of actions, gestures and expressions
void of motive, intent, or emotion.

Several labs are now testing the hypothesis that autistic
individuals have a mirror neuron deficit and cannot simulate the
mental states of others.

One recent experiment by Hugo Theoret and colleagues at the
University of Montreal showed that mirror neurons normally active
during the observation of hand movements in non-autistic individuals
are silent in those who have autism.

"You either simulate with mirror neurons, or the mental states of
others are completely precluded to you," said Iacoboni."

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050427_mind_readers.html

Good find Nora.

Cat

g123curious > wrote:It seems to me that the investigators are trying to profile the
offenders. I'd wager a guess that the Trek reference is an indicator
of a broader fantasy in the standard offender's profile. One could
substitute Star Wars/another sci-fi frnachise or any number of
violent video games instead of Trek in the profile.

We need to really check our backyard when it comes to this *gasp -- the
sexual depravity* stuff, because I can pull out a Japanese pop fan
magazine out right now and what I'll see is AI in a random Adidas
outfit, Mika Nakashima in jeans, Hirai Ken looking like Ryan Seacrest,
and a lot of popular actors and actresses in really modest outfits. When
there was a HINT of a sex scandal surrounding Ami Suzuki a while back,
she dropped off the charts (and the scene) so fast it was like she died.
And her album was selling really well. But when I crack open a magazine
that is supposed to be covering urban music (pop) or reaching American
men, THAT's where I see ads (and party photos) that border on porn. It's
not THEM OVER THERE -- it's right here.

I have to stand up for the otaku and sci-fi people on this one.
Generally these people are harmless. True Trek fans were fans when the
skirts were short and the plots were thin. The NEW crop of post-Voyager
Trek fans are another story altogether, and I, for one, will not be
grouped in with that lot. *I* never asked for a blonde in a cat suit, I
was fine with DS9. Folks who never read any Asimov or Butler wanna TALK
like sci-fi fans, but I'm not co-signing this nonsense. Not only are
they alleged pedophiles, they're alleged Trekkies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Astromancer [
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:52 PM
To: SciFiNoir@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir TV & Film] Re: Trekkie pedophiles?!

You know Chas, when I was stationed in Japan, it seemed like mostly any
image they used to in advertising there was just this side of
pedophilia...some of the anime doesn't shock me at all...also, bondage
themes seemed to be big there also...

Astromancer <cwbadie@yahoo.com> wrote:You know Chas, when I was stationed in Japan, it seemed like mostly any image they used to in advertising there was just this side of pedophilia...some of the anime doesn't shock me at all...also, bondage themes seemed to be big there also...

> What does this article have to do with pedophilia?

Good question. It has to do with emotional retardation and
psychotechnological manipulation of the same. It has to do with how
these states affect human response to media and images, and in
particular how some forms of media particularly target the same.,

The supposition is that only emotional retarded/disturbed
individuals gravitate towards certain types of escapism whose
extreme reaches would include sexually deviant behaviours like
pedophilia. Internet pornography is a big driver of growth in
deviant behaviour, and technology and fantasy escapism cluster
closely around the technology and people who use it.

You may or may not recall that not too long ago, I posted some
unusual articles about how movies and other media influence
emotional cognition..., this is any area of extreme interest to me.

Shunga (google image search Shunga) and erotic netsuke show that the
history of outlandish eroticism in Japan is centuries old. What I'm
curious to know is whether you perceived the majority of
contemporary sexualized media in Japan as conducing to consensual
almost fashion-conscious artistic expression, or, whether you
thought its production and consumption there simply pornographic as
it would more likely be here in the U.S.?

Do you think that there was/is a significant element of abuse taking
place in that more variegated otaku millieu?

This has come up before here and on afrofuturism I believe, but from
your perspective, could you discern a difference between the manga,
anime and other kawaii media produced for japanese and occidental
consumption?