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Below is some of the feedback you have about Yahoo's deleting of ScifiNoir. Again. Thank you for the support and help! Tracey |
| Hello Tracey,
Real sorry to hear about the site being taken down. Things are getting very Anyway, my idea for a new domain name is either scifireloaded.com or I hope everything is going well with you and your family. Things are cool Take Care, |
| Thank you for the notice. I only lurked at SciFiNoir because the volume was more than I could handle. Please send a followup when you have the new portal going. I will warn you that phpBB has a number of security holes which have been exploited by worms in the last year and it is very resource-intensive. There are text-based perl BB's which may work better than that one. I look forward to the new portal (which may be more manageable than yahoo--it The deletion of your list also freaks me out a bit because I'm involved on -Hy |
| I've emailed everyone I have an individual email for in my SciFi Inbox. SciFiNoir has recently been axed by Yahoogroups, because a member mistakenly violated policy by posting an article unattributed (I MAY BE WRONG HERE AND AM OPEN TO BEING CORRECTED). I enjoyed SciFiNoir. I don't know if there has been an attempt to get the band back If there has NOT been, we've got three options. They are not mutually 1. Start up another list for the same purpose, and get the word out. 2. Figure out whether Yahoo applies the rules selectively so as to get 3. Go back to business as usual. I am not really interested in taking a vote here. As it stands this What I am interested in doing is sharing information about attempts to If people are interested in the second option, this is what I suggest. If there is anything important that I missed please let me know. If we Let's do this. lks Dr. Lester K. Spence |
Tracy,
I fear that scifinoir fell victim to the current paradigm politics of the day. Given the current climate, sites devoted to anything that calls itself 'dark' anything is taking a risk. Your site was excellent and popular. I regret that you've been censored out of business.
I'm interested in helping you to build a new site, specifically in the area of fiction writing and critiquing and woman centered/feminist spec fiction and urban fantasy.
Scifinoir is not alone in being persecuted. I have recently moved to a very conservative community in which the Harry Potter books are not available in our local public library because they are "demonic" and promote "blasphemy." This made me gasp.
A topics course at our university, The Literature of the Supernatural (think Hawthorne, Poe, King, here, not Poppy Z. Brite) was picketed again as being blasphemous, as were two performances of The Vagina Monologues as being obscene and violating community standards.
I'm an assistant prof in the English department, and choose my texts and reading materials very carefully, these days.
I teach online and have moderated two sites, one devoted to urban fantasy and one, a writer's online workshop.I can send a vita and credentials if you would like as you make moderator choices.
Best regards,
Amy Berry |
Hi Tracey,
I heard that Scifi Noir was shut-down by Yahoo without any explanation. This is outrageous! I work in the Interactive industry and I do a significant amount of business with Yahoo. Although due to work commitments I have been unable to contribute to the group over the last year or so, I think Scifi Noir is a unique and valued destination for speculative thinkers of color. I would be more than happy to speak with my contacts at Yahoo to find out exactly why the list was shut down and how to redress this wrong. I'm certain that I can make some progress given the hundreds of thousands of dollars I've spent with Yahoo this year alone. Please let me know if you would like my assistance - in fact, I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to help out. It is not often that I am able to use my professional clout to "hook up my peeps :)." Feel free to contact me via email or at (201) 790-3758.
Be well,
Wendi Dunlap
(aka Sistahgal2000)
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| Hold up...wait a minute...are you telling me that SciFiNoir got deleted?! Lawd ha'mercy! I keep warning folks about using these corporate systems, but Negroes are hard-headed and don't want to listen. What about SciFiNoir_Lit? Oh wait, I see it's at least still there. OK, I'm going to be blunt, ya'll need to make a decision, Obviously, Tracey has the most say about this, but I assume Art |
| Tracey,
I, too, want to be included in any future plans or incarnations of Thanks, Jan Jan L. Hodges |
| htp (peace)
hello, Tracy. I was upset when I heard what happened. I informed all of the members at Please do not use scifiithedark; very corny (smile) Oh yeah, finally got around to updating the online comic. Edward Uzzle |
Customer Service Yahoo! Inc. Dear Sir, On approximately When I joined several years ago, I read the terms of service carefully. I was concerned that any fictional work that I posted might be considered the property of Yahoo. Therefore, I’ve never uploaded any of my work other than journal-like entries. Due to work, I’ve only participated in conversations sporadically. I was always aware that I was playing in Yahoo’s play area, just as a child in a McDonald’s play area. However I was sure that if this particular McDonald’s decided to boot a hypothetical child out of their play area, they would explain why—and they wouldn’t destroy the entire play area because of one child having a tantrum. Where is our notification? Who deserves the riot act? And why? I don’t really need yahoo to tell me what was going on in the days before the list’s deletion. Like others, I subscribed to the digest of SciFi Noir. I remember what conversations I was monitoring. I had uploaded a link to the snopes.com. There was a thread on Star Trek and pedophilia and the attendant fear that all Trekkies would be painted with a scarlet ‘P”. If some programmatic data trawler deleted the list because of the word “pedophilia”, surely this was a mistake! It would be more sense if such a program unsubscribed the offender and notified the moderator of the offense. As a computer engineer, I know that I could silence my own pager by writing code that caused a program to self-destruct after a crash. My cubicle would be very quiet indeed! No more complaints about that program! But no, I don’t think that any programmer would write code that simplistic. I’ve been on lists (including other yahoo lists) where a member was warned and then booted from the list after repeated violations. Why wasn’t that process followed here? We will never know. It’s possible that some external software glitch did destroy the list and Yahoo is too embarrassed to admit that fact. Is it possible that some parent complained after discovering that speculative fiction is an adult topic? (Check the average age range for Locus magazine—please.) We will never know. It’s easier to brush off the question by pointing to entire TOS document and not engaging in a true dialogue. Meanwhile, SciFi Noir is gone. The photos that I uploaded from three years of Worldcons—gone. The list of links to other African-American web sites uploaded by the moderator—gone. The conversation on the last three episodes of Sincerely, Ms. Marian Moore |
Tracy, you may be able to find your files for the group @ google or Fred
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Bunk 'em Dear Tracey
Hello! Jiva here. Listen, The Yahoo heavy hand treatment sounds typically inappropriate. You have done a great Service for years. BUNK them! :)
No good deed goes unpunished! Sometimes dealing with an outfit like Yahoo is like dealing with the flanks of a steaming ocean liner.
You are fine!
Your fan
jivajiva (President Club Services |
| Keep emailing them for a reason why,they did it eventually they will respond Cinque |
| Hey Tracey,
It's ridiculous that Yahoo deleted the group but I've heard about it I think you should keep the name SciFiNoir and do a variation like From your list of ways to get involved, here's what I can do: That's about all I can firmly commit to right now. I say don't waste your precious energy worrying about the yahoo's at You have my support, Cat |
| I only just found out about your community. This is a shame since I am an avid scifi fan and now the community in flux. I would like to be kept abreast of any new developments for the community and notified of its new home. Thank you, |
Hello
That's truly unfortunate, and I'm sorry for the loss. I hope you're able to get things back up and running ASAP.
There are other e-mail group services, MSN and Google, to name a few. I've read on your site that there'll be a message board (on a domain/website) and that's great but are you going to also establish and maintain a new e-mail group using one of the other services?
I personally like Google Groups, I don't think you would experience the same difficulties there, especially from over zealous censors. But, MSN Groups are almost exactly like Yahoo, in functionality, with Photo Albums, Chat, etc. Both are free and create an ease of communications.
Anyways, since you no longer have a Yahoo Mail account I was wondering if you'd like a Google GMail account? I have nearly 40 invites remaining and you're welcome to one, since it's free and offers a lot of space (2gigs).
Good luck on the implementations for the new SciFiNoir. Thanks for the update LD Cook |
Hello again
 Thanks for actually reading my message, and responding -- I'm sure you're busy, especially with all the chaos.
I had forgotten about listservs -- that's definitely a good deal and the domain will provide security since that'll be yours, even if you have future problems with a host, you can just move on while keeping the same web address.
Anyways, I'm writing this mainly to let you know about a really cheap and realiable web host (if you haven't already signed up with the Hong Kong company): DayanaHost.com (they're Canadian). I've hosted my sites with them for 3+ years now and haven't encountered any problems.
One of their better plans is the 30mb for 30 bucks a year, with 6 gigs of monthly transfer.
FindMyHost.com has a helpful listing of web hosts, with user reviews and recommendations.
I've been into web design and development since 97, actually went to school for it. If you need any help with anything I'm willing to help, pro bono of course, if I can because I'm eager to start using a site like you're planning. I'm familiar with MovableType and WordPress but also the portal systems, like PHPNuke.
Good luck again with everything. Thanks, LC. |
Good luck setting up your portal. I look forward to visiting adn joiniong your efforts. -Thomas Schitka. |
| Hi Ms. deMorsella,
I'm not a member of the group, but your message was forwarded to my Yahoo writing list as a warning of what could happen. Have you tried signing up at Smartgroups (www.smartgroups.com)? It works very much like Yahoo, is quite civilized and owned by Brits, who are, generally, more cosmopolitan than Yahoo Americans. :) Good luok in resurrecting the group. I find it interesting that Yahoo allowed someone to fraudulently assume ownership of a list I was on and did nothing about it, but thinks a discussion on pornography is grounds for cancellation. Skewed world. Best, Nora Bock |
just let me know when you get it rollin tracey. I'll BE THERE AND READY for |
| I forwarded it to a bazillion people on Lester's distribution list on a post he made about this. Keith |
Well, I'm sorry to here that. But they haven't deleted the people. We're still here. We can just start another group. But I guess first we should try and find out the problem to see if we want to associate ourselves with yahoo any longer.
I hope SciFiNoir_Lit is still up? It was the other day. That's one immediate place where we can still meet in the meantime. I think any topics from the previous deleted group would be welcomed considering the circumstances and that Lit is probably composed of a lot of the same people.
I am disturbed that they have not given you a specific reason. That I think is mandatory.
Peace,
Jerome |
| Hi sorry to hear about what happened with yahoo, why don't you name your new portal noirscifi.com Christi |
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Open a new one. Call it something else. Invite everyone on your old list to join. Fuck Yahoo. What they don't know can't hurt them.
Bette |
Tracey, thank you for your dedication But it is time to stop share cropping and get some cyberspace of our lets pool some money over paypal and get some space at hostgator.com or What do you think? I will go in with 30 bucks. we get 11 more people Time to DO FOR SELF. Floyd Webb |
| This is fantastic! You're my inspiration! I'm working on my Blog/Web stuff now. When I get something in place, I'd love to have you link to it off your new site. As I mentioned, I'll focus a lot on comics, scifi of course, and what I see as important cultural/social trends as evidenced by technology, video games (such as how Hollywood's all into gaming), etc. Let me know whatever help you need and I'm there! Keith |
| it was a good little group. i don't understand all the details -- but i know as a fact that the majority of real c\sexual child abusers are getting away with bloody murder while the system turns a deaf ear/blind eye and hassles hapless nerds. there are REAL predators out there... that our group (i haven't said anything since 2001 but i it's too bad. but yahoo i owned by one of the richest on a similar note the books of samuel r. delany would http://groups.yahoo.com/group/encyclopaedia_discordia/ Mikal Howard |
| Hi Tracey -- You might consider contacting EFF [eff.org] or an ACLU chapter near you. A short letter from a prestigious legal organization on your behalf might prove very helpful. Regards, Laura Quilter |
| i'm sorry 2 hear that scifinoir was shut down , tracey -- i was impressed enough with your list 2 be inspired 2 create my own . i'll pass along the information , & feel free 2 let me know if there's anything else i can do 2 help . stay up ! chris johnson |
| I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to SciFiNoir. I believe I have a bulletin board in my paid webspace. If you need it, just lmk. Cheryl Edwards Network with other African-descendant crafters via our egroup: |
| Perhaps we should boycott yahoo and move to another server. Sounds a little Big-Brotherish to shut us down without detailed explanation. Lisa Bolekaja |
I didn't post to the group at all but read many posts. You may want to Randy Tube P |
| Just start the group anew at google groups, we'll join you there. Sasha www.neetstuff.com |
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| htp (peace)
hello, Tracy. I was upset when I heard what happened. I informed all of the members at Please do not use scifiithedark; very corny (smile) Oh yeah, finally got around to updating the online comic. Edward Uzzle |
| You're not alone. Stay strong, Tracey.
Cecil |
Just tell me what to do if I can help... |
| got this from someone else who lost a group. I wonder if this could have anything to do with the rash of group closings? Hello everyone, Please excuse the cross-post. I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who happens to be a The hackers who delight in hijacking yahoo ids and passwords, rely We all on occasion, check out the profiles of various people we come So we click on one of the links on the profile and we are now faced with The following profile link has a link that will take you to a phishing Notice that this is a geocities .com page and not a Yahoo page. Only a This is why many Group Owners as well as the ordinary yahoo users are Please forward this information everyone you know with a yahoo account. Jeff |
| That's completely bogus. I am still getting posts. Please let me know when you get SFN v2.0 running. I dont want to miss it. I am on a lot of email lists. This has been one my favorites. thanks Bosco |
Well I would definately setup a private discussion forum or list. |
| ...this sounds like some PATRIOT ACT crap. having once been on the mother list, i know a lot of political conversations get going (and get heated too), so is it so outside the realm that somebody's post triggered some keyword alert that prompted the gubmint to complain and get that list TOS'd? la tricia |
| I am joining everyone else in expressing my dismay and upset over this arbitrary and unfair action by Yahoo. Amy |
| I am as outraged as all of you. I just joined this group very recently, but have enjoyed all the posts. I actually used to work for Yahoo way back when, so maybe I can try to see what the deal is if there is still anyone I know in the content/community department. In the meantime, let me know if there is a joint letter to sign. Power to the netizens ;-) ::IC |
What a bunch of crap!!!It's totally bizarre, Tracey. I sorry it happened...We probably lost a lost of good people... I am, for the lack of a better term, Tracey, 'pissed'... I think Chris speaks for most of us...you tell me what to do if you need any help... Astromancer |
| I would like to add my voice to the dissent as well. It's been some time since I donned the old noble and to my mind underused persona of Citizen Outrage. The times seem to call out for it. It should be nice to see how it still fits. Would an extra expression of sincere personal indignation added to the fray be welcome? I cannot express well enough here how very put out the whole affair has me. It can be sent off - any length and style, any amount of huff and bray - as soon as this evening, if you like. Give the word and it's done. A Luta Continua |
Yahoo does seem a bit like a brutarian dictatorial regime from Latin Bosco
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| Bravo! I will write a letter. I wanted to make sure that I would not cause more problems by protesting. And immediately, I considered that this is a fear that was probably Marian |
| I wish I knew the reasons they were terminated. No list owner I know has ever been able to get anyone at Yahoo to give a reason of any sort other than a generic violation of the TOS. Bosco |
Deleting the archives just seems... purely spiteful. Five years of heartfelt communication, some of if noteworthy, carelessly leeched into the aether. Shameful, shameful. Brent :-( |
| Yeah, when Yahoo! nukes a forum they won't get specific on the details. I assume its to protect the identity of the individual making the complaint. In the case of those moderators who've been using their forums to wreak havoc and harass others, such an approach is fine. But the problem is that there is no appeal process. It is arbitrary and at the discretion of whichever Yahoo! TOS staffer is reviewing the complaint. What they need to do is temporarily take a group offline when they believe a Unfortunately, I don't think there is any recourse for you. The archives James Landrith |
| I forwarded Tracey's email to the folks on the NommoGathering list, a list for. They were very supportive.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NommoGathering Oreo Blues |
| You're not alone. Stay strong, Tracey.
Cecil |
Hershey68 |
| Tracey,
I will be thrilled to be of assistance and a part of the resurrection of Jan L. Hodges |
| Hi Tracey,
This truly does suck, but I am glad you have a plan B. By the way, isn't it too ironic that we have to go to Communist China to get Leslie Freeman |
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